Legislature(1997 - 1998)

04/24/1997 08:41 AM Senate FIN

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       SB 11 SCHOOL DEBT REIMBURSEMENT                                         
                                                                               
       BRETT   HUBER   testified    regarding   the    changes                 
       incorporated  in the  work draft  CS, version F.   Also                 
       testifying were MICHAEL MORGAN and  MIKE FORD.  SENATOR                 
       PHILLIPS MOVED Amendment #4.   SENATOR ADAMS  objected.                 
       SENATOR PHILLIPS withdrew his motion and MOVED to adopt                 
       the work  draft CS.   SENATOR DONLEY  objected for  the                 
       purpose  of  discussion, then  withdrew  his objection.                 
       Without further  objection, CSSB  11(FIN) was  ADOPTED.                 
       SENATOR   PHILLIPS  MOVED   Amendment   #4.     Without                 
       objection, Amendment #4  was ADOPTED.   SENATOR  DONLEY                 
       MOVED  Amendment #5.    COCHAIR  SHARP  objected,  then                 
       withdrew  his objection.    SENATOR PHILLIPS  objected.                 
       Amendment #5 FAILED  by a 2  to 4 vote.   SENATOR ADAMS                 
       MOVED  Amendment   #6.    SENATOR   PHILLIPS  objected.                 
       Amendment #6 FAILED by a 2 to 4 vote.  Amendment #3 was                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
       not  offered.    CSSB  11(FIN)  was  HELD  for  further                 
       consideration.                                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
  SENATE BILL NO. 11                                                           
  "An Act relating to state aid for  school construction debt;                 
  and providing for an effective date."                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BRETT HUBER, Legislative Staff to Senator Halford, addressed                 
  the committee.   He  called attention  to a  CS work  draft,                 
  version  F,  that was  before  the  committee  and noted  it                 
  incorporated  two   previously  adopted   amendments.     He                 
  discussed the amendments and pointed out  an error in the CS                 
  draft wording on page 4, line 8.  The word "payments" should                 
  be "projects."   He  brought  up the  retroactive clause  in                 
  Section 6.                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR ADAMS inquired what the Anchorage school debt was on                 
  a yearly basis.  MR. HUBER responded that the Anchorage bond                 
  issues   went  forward   without  Department   of  Education                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  approval, but he thought the department may have an estimate                 
  of the amount.                                                               
                                                                               
  COCHAIR  SHARP  invited  the bill  drafter,  Mike  Ford, and                 
  Department of Education representative,  Mike Morgan, to the                 
  committee table.                                                             
                                                                               
  SENATOR ADAMS had  questions about the Anchorage  and Mat-Su                 
  bond issues and the retroactivity clause that were addressed                 
  by MR. HUBER.  MICHAEL  MORGAN, Manager, Facilities Section,                 
  Department of  Education (DOE), responded  to SENATOR ADAMS'                 
  questions also.                                                              
                                                                               
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  COCHAIR   SHARP  inquired  if   the  retroactive  clause  in                 
  subsection (8) (page 4) opened a window for additional 70/30                 
  funding.   MICHAEL  FORD,  Attorney, Legislative  Legal  and                 
  Research  Services, indicated  that  the  issuance of  bonds                 
  would have to have the DOE commissioner's approval by July 1                 
  and be issued between July 1, 1995 and July 1, 1997.  It was                 
  determined  that it  would be unlikely  that a  bond package                 
  could be put together, voted on,  and approved by DOE before                 
  July 1, but it could open the door for Anchorage.                            
                                                                               
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  SENATOR  ADAMS inquired  what the  retroactive  clause would                 
  cost the state.  Mr. Huber responded that DOE had  begun the                 
  analysis,  but  was  still   waiting  for  information  from                 
  Anchorage.   He estimated a  potential impact would  be $5.8                 
  million for Anchorage and Mat-Su projects.                                   
                                                                               
  There  was discussion about a fiscal  note dated 3/24/97 for                 
  $3.9 million which represented only Mat-Su reimbursement.                    
                                                                               
  MIKE FORD addressed technical changes to the bill that would                 
  make it consistent  with other provisions, as  referenced in                 
  his memorandum dated 4/10/97.                                                
                                                                               
  SENATOR PHILLIPS MOVED  the suggested  changes as  Amendment                 
  motion, then MOVED to adopt the CS work draft, version F, as                 
  CSSB 11(FIN).  Without objection, it was ADOPTED.                            
                                                                               
  SENATOR  PHILLIPS  MOVED  Amendment  #  4.   SENATOR  DONLEY                 
  objected for the  purpose of  discussion, then withdrew  his                 
  motion.    Without  further  objection,   Amendment  #4  was                 
  adopted.                                                                     
                                                                               
  SENATOR DONLEY MOVED Amendment #5, page 4, line 9, to delete                 
  "before  the sale  or  issuance of  debt  for the  project".                 
  COCHAIR  SHARP  objected,  spoke   to  his  objection,  then                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  withdrew  it.    SENATOR  PHILLIPS   objected.    There  was                 
  discussion about expanded eligibility of projects  resulting                 
  from the amendment.                                                          
                                                                               
  A roll call vote  was taken on the MOTION to adopt Amendment                 
  IN FAVOR: Adams, Donley                                                      
  OPPOSED:  Parnell, Phillips, Sharp, Pearce                                   
                                                                               
  Amendment #5 FAILED by a 2 to 4 vote.                                        
                                                                               
  SENATOR  ADAMS MOVED Amendment  #6, page  4, lines  7-14, to                 
  delete all material.  SENATOR PHILLIPS objected.                             
                                                                               
                                                                               
  A roll call vote  was taken on the MOTION to adopt Amendment                 
  IN FAVOR: Adams, Sharp                                                       
  OPPOSED:  Parnell, Phillips, Donley, Pearce                                  
                                                                               
  Amendment #6 FAILED by a 2 to 4 vote.                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
  SENATOR PARNELL  commented that  the fiscal  note was  open-                 
  ended in that there  was no cap on the amount  that could be                 
  bonded for,  so it was basically a blank check.  He inquired                 
  how much more could be expected above the $3.9 million.  MR.                 
  HUBER  was  unable to  provide  a  number but  spoke  of the                 
  sponsor's intent.   Voters  would scrutinize which  projects                 
  they  would approve because  they would  be paying  half the                 
  bill.   SENATOR PARNELL questioned how  reimbursements would                 
  fit in with  the majority spending plan and if that had been                 
  considered  by  the sponsor.    MR. HUBER  acknowledged that                 
  there could be impact, but school construction would have to                 
  come  from some  place.   Currently,  the only  mechanism is                 
  through capital  appropriations at 100 percent project cost.                 
  SENATOR  ADAMS  believed the  fiscal  note should  reflect a                 
  minimum  of  $5.8 million,  noting that  it  could go  up to                 
  between $12-15 million in  debt service.  He agreed  that it                 
  would blow the  five-year spending  plan out of  proportion,                 
  but he supported it as a good cause.                                         
                                                                               
                                                                               
  COCHAIR SHARP commented that the  bill represented a portion                 
  of  the  majority's  comprehensive  education  package,  but                 
  problems exist in doing  it a piece at a  time, particularly                 
  with subsection (8).   He was supportive of the  50/50 share                 
  of the debt load.   He requested a revised fiscal  note that                 
  reflected the total  impact of additional debt  service that                 
  may  be  incurred due  to  bonds  that have  passed  and may                 
  qualify within the window provided under subsection (8).                     
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Amendment  #3 was not offered.  SENATOR ADAMS commented that                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  the bill takes  care of only one  segment of the state,  and                 
  the whole state should be considered.  He indicated he would                 
  keep the amendment  pending and  try to find  a solution  to                 
  take care of the "have nots."                                                
                                                                               
                                                                               
  COCHAIR SHARP requested  a report of  the last bond  package                 
  that passed  showing whether Mat-Su  got any of  that money.                 
  CSSB 11(FIN) was HELD for further consideration.                             
                                                                               
                                                                               
  COCHAIR  SHARP announced a  ten minute recess  at 10:00 A.M.                 
  The meeting reconvened at 10:12 A. M.                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
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